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It doesn't say "personal information," it says "personally identifiable information." Wikipedia

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but can any of you say you will be -comfortable- risking the integrity of your computer, your privacy, everything by what this program will be doing?

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I've been playing BF2 for quite awhile now, and I have pretty much every email, instant message, love letter, tax return, etc about my life since the mid to late 90's on my system. In a nutshell, everything that is stored electronically about my life for the past decade.

Why am I not worried in the slightest bit? Because:

1. PunkBuster is in the business of finding and preventing cheats and hacks from being used in video games, not looking through my personal information.
2. I have yet to see a credible claim that PunkBuster has ever abused any personal information of one of their customers.
3. I'm not arrogant nor vain enough to believe that anyone at PunkBuster would even *care* to look at my personal data. They've got better things to do with their time then to check out my bank account info, look through the 1000's of pictures I've taken with digital cameras over the years or pour over the millions of lines of IM conversations stored on my hard drive looking for juicy goodness. To them, I'm one of millions of players that use their product. I don't cheat, so the chances of them doing anything to my system past the automatic checks that PB does are pretty much non-existent. What puts it in perspective for me is that I can go poking around any UO player's account notes anytime I want. Yes, that means YOUR account. I can go hide in your house and watch what you say. But I really have no time nor interest in doing so. The people at PunkBuster aren't any different.


That's why I didn't think twice about allowing PB to be installed, and I didn't bat an eyelash when Blizzard introduced Warden for WoW. I know for a fact these companies have zero interest in my personal data, and quite frankly, what I throw away in my garbage each week and take to the curb has a much higher likelihood of ending up in the wrong hands than the info on my system via PunkBuster.

Is it possible that someone might look at my stuff? Yes, it is... but it's such a small likelihood that it's really not worth worrying about. IMHO, it'd be like avoiding camping in the mountains because there is a chance I might get eaten by a bear. Sure, it could happen, but I'll probably win the lottery before that ever happened.

You asked, so that's my personal take on the situation. :-P

Wilki_EA
UO Community Coordinator
Re: [News] Concerning the Concerns about PunkBuster
06/20/06 08:31 PM

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All of the UO Pro Programs are fine. Same goes for programs like UO Rudder, etc, that aren't really considered cheat programs. We're targeting programs that let you script, speedhack, etc.

Also, remember that we are having a beta testing period where any strange issues with the popular programs being mentioned will be corrected.

Wilki_EA
UO Community Coordinator
Re: [News] UO Testing Use of Punkbuster Software
06/19/06 06:50 PM

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Ok... and what about the stuff we talk about while in UO that we want kept secret?

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That information is logged by the UO servers now, and GM's can monitor/review any and all text in UO.

Wilki_EA
UO Community Coordinator
Re: [News] UO Testing Use of Punkbuster Software
06/19/06 06:47 PM

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Have you guys played anything besides UO? What it means by taking pics is that it wont take a pic of ur PC, but it will take a pic of the on-going action in UO. Nothing outside of UO will have a pic taken. If you want more info look at Quake 3\4 and etc...they've been using Punkbuster for over 10 years.

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Bingo. Any screenshots taken would only be of your UO gameplay window.

From the FAQ:

Q: Will PunkBuster collect screenshots of my computer?
A: PunkBuster will only take screenshots of the Ultima Online game screen itself.

PunkBuster will not capture your email, ICQ, AIM, etc.

Wilki_EA
UO Community Coordinator
Re: [News] UO Testing Use of Punkbuster Software
06/19/06 06:24 PM

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PB only sends a screen shot when it see wrong data being sent, It doesn't take ramdom ones..

So if you don't cheat, it won't send them!

team speak , won't effect PB... UOA, UOAM, and the rest, no clue, cause some of them tell the server to do thing out side the UO program..

And you got a few people that wll drop from up cause of being out of sync with the server and need to know that it WILL happen,, it just read like an out of mem error, happens to people once in a while that use PB AND EA BETTER under stand how to read the errors!!!

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Yes, that is the case. The idea that PunkBuster will continually be streaming screenshots to PunkBuster isn't correct. It's a tool that is used in exceptional circumstances.

And again, it only displays the UO gameplay screen itself, not your surrounding desktop or other applications (this applies even if said applications are over the UO window on your desktop).

Wilki_EA
UO Community Coordinator
Re: Punkbuster in UO??
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This is as bas as sony's rootkit.

Clearly an invasion of privacy.

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Not even close.

1. We're telling you about it before we've even decided for sure that we're going to use it.
2. There will be a big fat notice everywhere if we do.
3. It's not messing around with your OS.
4. Millions of FPS players have used PunkBuster for years.

As for the privacy concern, the intent is not to poke around your private information. Please read PunkBuster's privacy policy here:

http://www.punkbuster.com/index.php?page=privacy.php

The rootkit fiasco was a stealthy attempt to install something on your computer that you weren't aware of. That is NOT our intent here, and we are doing everything that we can to make sure our players know about and understand what PunkBuster is about long before it is implemented.

The two situations are very different, and it's not fair to compare the two.

Wilki_EA
UO Community Coordinator
Re: Punkbuster in UO??
06/19/06 06:20 PM

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A good question is what about all the stratics tools.

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I made sure those will not cause any issues.

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UO Community Coordinator
Re: Punkbuster in UO??
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This All Boils Down To Stability And Bandwith, Say Goodbye To All Your Dialup Customers Basically

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This is not going to be the case, according to our research. However, there will be a beta period where we'll be getting a ton of feedback from players using low end machines and dialup, so we'll be tweaking things as needed.

Basically, it's not going to be a huge resource hog, nor is it a pointless exercise. I see a lot of armchair programmers here, but I can assure you that we've done our homework and wouldn't have considered this if we thought it would impact our honest players negatively or would be easy to circumvent.

There are some fundamental differences between an FPS like BF2 and an MMO like UO, so comparing the two isn't really an accurate assessment.

Wilki_EA
UO Community Coordinator
Re: Punkbuster in UO??
06/19/06 06:10 PM

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I agree 100%

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Nah, three days, tops.

Hence, we won't be banning Ventrilo, Teamspeak, UOAM, UOA, ICQ, AIM, Trillian, MSN, virus checkers, or any other program that isn't an illegal thirdy party app used to exploit UO.

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Re: Punkbuster in UO??
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PunkBuster Testing in Progress, Public Beta Testing to Start Soon

Player cheating is a serious problem inside Ultima Online, as it is with all online role-playing games. It hurts the economy, gives players an unfair advantage in PvP, and puts honest players at a disadvantage when it comes to competing for resources, spawns and treasure. It¡Çs no wonder the use of cheat programs is the number one complaint to customer service.

We hope to greatly reduce the use of cheat programs through the use of PunkBuster, the most recognized name in cheat protection. Used in virtually all triple-A shooters, Ultima Online will be one of the first MMOs to use PunkBuster technology.

We are in an internal test phase right now and almost ready to roll out a public beta test. We expect public testing to start in mid-July. So far, we are extremely pleased with the results and expect PunkBuster to work with Ultima Online transparently, unless of course you¡Çre using a banned cheat program.

For more info, check out the FAQ HERE

If we do decide to use PunkBuster service-wide, you¡Çll need to agree to the PunkBuster Software License Agreement before playing, as well as new Ultima Online Terms of Service. You can read both documents HERE

Thanks, Darkscribe

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PunkBuster is mentioned periodically among the dev team, but the last time I looked at its feature list, most of the things it does are either incompatible with UO or go against what we've said we won't do (like scanning your hard disk, etc).

PunkBuster was designed primarily for FPS-type games, a completely different ballgame than UO.

So the short of it is this: There aren't any plans to use PunkBuster in UO. There probably won't be. That doesn't mean that we don't care about exploiters and cheaters. We are constantly examining exploits and cheat utilties, adding logging to find the bad guys, and evaluating the security of our systems.

Some of the biggest contributors to finding and stopping exploits are You, the players. If you have information on any exploit[s], please let me know at speedman@uo.com.

speedman
Ultima Online Server Programmer
Origin Systems/Electronic Arts

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